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[[File:Hydor Farnese-Stellarium smh2022 anim.gif|thumb|animated GIF of the Cetus region on the Farnese Globe mapped to the Stellarium star chart. The curly lines forming a stream of heavenly water (drawing and implementation by SMH 2024).]]
[[File:Hydor Farnese-Stellarium smh2022 anim.gif|thumb|animated GIF of the Cetus region on the Farnese Globe mapped to the Stellarium star chart. The curly lines forming a stream of heavenly water (drawing and implementation by SMH 2024).]]
[[File:Hydor stellarium-Farnese.gif|alt=star chart with ancient drawings|thumb|The Stellarium sky culture "Farnese Globe" maps the depiction of the ancient marble globe to a modern star chart. The constellation of The River and the asterism of the (water)outlet of Aquarius form a huge watery environment for Cetus, The Seamonster. The northern edge of this area is bordered by the "ribbon" of Pisces of which only the southern part is drawn on the marble globe. The artist who made this globe apparently did not consider Pisces as two fish connected with a ribbon, but the northern one of the two as an attribute of the lady goddess (now: Andromeda) and the other one as a dead fish (belly up) at the edge of the heavenly water ("hydor"). CC-BY SMH 2024]]
The Ancient Greek term Hydor (ὕδωρ) means "Water". It is a constellation that is only mentioned in Aratus' didactical poem "Phainomena".
The Ancient Greek term Hydor (ὕδωρ) means "Water". It is a constellation that is only mentioned in Aratus' didactical poem "Phainomena".


==Etymology and History==
==Etymology and History==


=== Ancient Constellation ===
=== Ancient asterism ===
Aratus (4th century BCE) in his didactic poem "Phainomena" mentions a constellation "The Water" that is mentioned by no other preserved text: <blockquote>Other stars lying scattered below the Water-pourer hang in the sk between the celestial Monster and the Fish, but they are faint and nameless. Close to them, like a light spray of water being sprinkled this way and that from the right hand of the illustrious Water-pourer, some pale and feeble star go round. Among them go two rather brighter stars, not so very far apart nor yet very close, onebeautiful and bright star beneath the two feet of the Water-pourer, the other below the dark Monster's tail. Men call them collectively the Water. (389-399)</blockquote>
Aratus (4th century BCE) in his didactic poem "Phainomena" mentions an asterism "The Water" that is mentioned by no other preserved text:<ref>[https://www.theoi.com/Text/AratusPhaenomena.html ARATUS, PHAENOMENA] (online), from: Callimachus, Hymns and Epigrams. Lycophron. Aratus. Translated by Mair, A. W. & G. R. Loeb Classical Library Volume 129. London: William Heinemann, 1921. https://www.theoi.com/Text/AratusPhaenomena.html</ref><ref>Arat, Phainomena, Engl. translation by Kidd, Douglas, Cambridge Univ. Press 1997</ref> <blockquote>Other stars lying scattered below the Water-pourer hang in the sky between the celestial Monster and the Fish, but they are faint and nameless. Close to them, like a light spray of water being sprinkled this way and that from the right hand of the illustrious Water-pourer, some pale and feeble star go round. Among them go two rather brighter stars, not so very far apart nor yet very close, onebeautiful and bright star beneath the two feet of the Water-pourer, the other below the dark Monster's tail. Men call them collectively the Water. (389-399)</blockquote>
[[File:Hydor stellarium-007.jpg|alt=Stellarium star chart |thumb|lambda Aquarii named "Hydor" in some early modern maps including Bayer's Uranometria (1603), map in Stellarium. Diphda and Fomalhaut also labelled. ]]
[[File:Hydor stellarium-007.jpg|alt=Stellarium star chart |thumb|lambda Aquarii named "Hydor" in some early modern maps including Bayer's Uranometria (1603), map in Stellarium. Diphda and Fomalhaut also labelled. ]]
These stars are in the area of the sky between the bright stars Diphda and Fomalhaut, south of the Aquarius and Cetus.
These stars are in the area of the sky between the bright stars Diphda and Fomalhaut, south of the Aquarius and Cetus.


The three preserved ancient globes depict this constellation of The Water as a vessel for the monster named "Ketos" in Greek, making it a monster living in the water (sea), a seamonster.
The three preserved ancient globes<ref>Hipparchs Himmelsglobus – Ein Bindeglied in der babylonisch-griechischen Astrometrie?, [http://www.springer.com/de/book/9783658186821 Springer Research], Wiesbaden/ New York, 2017</ref><ref>Hoffmann, Susanne M. (2024). Some Results on the three Ancient Globes, Globusfreund/ Globe Studies, ISSN </ref> depict this asterism of The Water as a vessel for the monster named "Ketos" in Greek, making it a monster living in the water (sea), a seamonster<ref>Hoffmann, S.M., Vickers, D. and Geymeier, M. (2022). Constellation Cetus: Whale or Monster? , 287</ref>.


Cicero, Aratea, fr. 33.179


Avienus, Aratea, 841


Germanicus, Aratea (387-388) omits the name.


=== Image Gallery ===
=== Image Gallery ===
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[[File:Aqr Bayer HydorTXT.jpg|alt=screenshot of historical star catalogue|thumb|Bayer (1603) Aquarius star list with the star lambda (highlighted) described as occasionally named "Hydor" (Water) by historical authors.]]
[[File:Aqr Bayer HydorTXT.jpg|alt=screenshot of historical star catalogue|thumb|Bayer (1603) Aquarius star list with the star lambda (highlighted) described as occasionally named "Hydor" (Water) by historical authors.]]
"Hydor" - water - is the first name listed in Allen (1899) although not transliterated from the Greek to Latin alphabet: "λ, 3.8, red, is the most prominent of the first stars in the Stream. Proclus followed Aratos in calling it Ὕδωρ, [note: Hydor] the Water; and others, Ἔκχυσις, [note: "Ekkhysis"] the Outpouring; Aratos describing it, "Like a slight flow of water here and there, Scattered around, bright stars revolve but small"; although these titles, appropriated by Bayer for λ, originally were for the whole group set apart as the Stream. Allen's description basically repeats Bayer (1603) Uranometria, attributing names to Aratus and Proclus.
"Hydor" - water - is the first name listed in Allen (1899) although not transliterated from the Greek to Latin alphabet: "λ, 3.8, red, is the most prominent of the first stars in the Stream. Proclus followed Aratos in calling it Ὕδωρ, [note: Hydor] the Water; and others, Ἔκχυσις, [note: "Ekkhysis"] the Outpouring; Aratos describing it, "Like a slight flow of water here and there, Scattered around, bright stars revolve but small"; although these titles, appropriated by Bayer for λ, originally were for the whole group set apart as the Stream. Allen's description basically repeats Bayer (1603) Uranometria, attributing names to Aratus and Proclus.
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However, the entry is one of many sloppinesses in Allen (1899). The term "Hydor" describes the whole huge region of faint stars around Cetus - it is the element that makes the monster depicted in Cetus a ''sea''monster (because it is in Hydor!). This way, the constellation Hydor is depicted on all three surviving globes from antiquity!
!Bayer's text for λ Aqr (see image), mixed Greek and Latin
!translation (English)
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|Prima effusionis aquae, Arato & Proclo '''ὕδωρ (Lat.: Hydor)''', aliis ἔκχας dicta, Anony. Effusio aquae dexta & laeua, Arato χύσις ὕδατ@ ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθα σκιδναμένϫ, Hinc perperá manupicta quedam schemata duplicem exhibent effusionem, cum ἐπιϛροφὰς ἢ καμπὰς hoc est, duas potius debuissent obseruasse conuersiones.
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However, the entry is one of many sloppinesses in Allen (1899). The term "Hydor" describes the whole huge region of faint stars around Cetus - it is the element that makes the monster depicted in Cetus a '''''sea'''''monster (because it is in Hydor!). This way, the asterism Hydor is depicted on all three surviving globes from antiquity.


==Mythology==
==Mythology==


==IAU Working Group Star Names==
==IAU Working Group Star Names==
[[File:Psc-Eri-Stream.jpg|thumb|Pisces-Eridanus-Stream, 4731 members with 2 Cet the brightest one in the classical "Water" constellation: This table is sorted by Vmag. ]]
As the term Ὕδωρ originally describes a constellation and, thus, a group of many faint stars or an area in the sky, we can apply the name to any star in that area around the figure of Cetus (in Eridanus, Fornax, Cetus, Sculptor, Aquarius - although "For" doesn't make sense). The name "Hydor (ὕδωρ) is suggested
As the term Ὕδωρ originally describes an asterism and, thus, a group of many faint stars or an area in the sky, we can apply the name to any star in that area around the figure of Cetus (in Eridanus, Fornax, Cetus, Sculptor, Aquarius - although "For" doesn't make sense). The name "Hydor" (ὕδωρ) is suggested


* for 2 Cet (HIP 301, HR 9098 [https://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=2+Cet&NbIdent=1&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id SIMBAD]), a blue star (B9) of 4.536 mag in visible light. In modern star charts, the star is located between the tail of the Cetus-figure and the drops of the outlet of Aquarius.
* for 2 Cet (HIP 301, HR 9098 [https://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=2+Cet&NbIdent=1&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id SIMBAD]), a blue star (B9) of 4.536 mag in visible light. In modern star charts, the star is located between the tail of the Cetus-figure and the drops of the outlet of Aquarius. Alternatively, i01 Aqr (5.2 mag) or i03 Aqr (5.15 mag), for they are considered today as water drops in the outlet of Aqr. These stars are Psc-Eri-Stream with 4731 members ([https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-ref?bibcode=2019A%26A...622L..13M paper]).
* or for lambda Aqr as preserved in Bayer's Uranometria (1603) which is a red star (M2) of Vmag 3.79 ([https://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=lam+Aqr&NbIdent=1&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id SIMBAD]). However as a bright star in the zodiac, lambda Aqr has multiple cultural aliases that may be more appropriate choices (e.g. Tibetan "Mondru" (Johnson-Groh 2013), Hindu "Satabhisa"/"Satabhisaj"/"Satabhisak" (Venketeswara & Shylaja 2016, Sarma 1997, Rudra 2006)).
* or for lambda Aqr as preserved in Bayer's Uranometria (1603) which is a red star (M2) of Vmag 3.79 ([https://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=lam+Aqr&NbIdent=1&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id SIMBAD]). However as a bright star in the zodiac, lambda Aqr has multiple cultural aliases that may be more appropriate choices (e.g. Tibetan "Mondru" (Johnson-Groh 2013), Hindu "Satabhisa"/"Satabhisaj"/"Satabhisak" (Venketeswara & Shylaja 2016, Sarma 1997, Rudra 2006)).


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== Weblinks ==
== Weblinks ==
* Ridpath, Ian, “[http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/aquarius.html#water Star Tales: online edition]”.

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== Reference ==
== Reference ==

Latest revision as of 03:22, 8 November 2024

animated GIF of the Cetus region on the Farnese Globe mapped to the Stellarium star chart. The curly lines forming a stream of heavenly water (drawing and implementation by SMH 2024).
star chart with ancient drawings
The Stellarium sky culture "Farnese Globe" maps the depiction of the ancient marble globe to a modern star chart. The constellation of The River and the asterism of the (water)outlet of Aquarius form a huge watery environment for Cetus, The Seamonster. The northern edge of this area is bordered by the "ribbon" of Pisces of which only the southern part is drawn on the marble globe. The artist who made this globe apparently did not consider Pisces as two fish connected with a ribbon, but the northern one of the two as an attribute of the lady goddess (now: Andromeda) and the other one as a dead fish (belly up) at the edge of the heavenly water ("hydor"). CC-BY SMH 2024

The Ancient Greek term Hydor (ὕδωρ) means "Water". It is a constellation that is only mentioned in Aratus' didactical poem "Phainomena".

Etymology and History

Ancient asterism

Aratus (4th century BCE) in his didactic poem "Phainomena" mentions an asterism "The Water" that is mentioned by no other preserved text:[1][2]

Other stars lying scattered below the Water-pourer hang in the sky between the celestial Monster and the Fish, but they are faint and nameless. Close to them, like a light spray of water being sprinkled this way and that from the right hand of the illustrious Water-pourer, some pale and feeble star go round. Among them go two rather brighter stars, not so very far apart nor yet very close, onebeautiful and bright star beneath the two feet of the Water-pourer, the other below the dark Monster's tail. Men call them collectively the Water. (389-399)

Stellarium star chart
lambda Aquarii named "Hydor" in some early modern maps including Bayer's Uranometria (1603), map in Stellarium. Diphda and Fomalhaut also labelled.

These stars are in the area of the sky between the bright stars Diphda and Fomalhaut, south of the Aquarius and Cetus.

The three preserved ancient globes[3][4] depict this asterism of The Water as a vessel for the monster named "Ketos" in Greek, making it a monster living in the water (sea), a seamonster[5].


Cicero, Aratea, fr. 33.179


Avienus, Aratea, 841


Germanicus, Aratea (387-388) omits the name.

Image Gallery

historical star chart, photograph
Bayer (1603) map of Aquarius with the star "lambda" highlighted. The adjacent table lists it with the name "Hydor".

Star Name (Early Modern)

screenshot of historical star catalogue
Bayer (1603) Aquarius star list with the star lambda (highlighted) described as occasionally named "Hydor" (Water) by historical authors.

"Hydor" - water - is the first name listed in Allen (1899) although not transliterated from the Greek to Latin alphabet: "λ, 3.8, red, is the most prominent of the first stars in the Stream. Proclus followed Aratos in calling it Ὕδωρ, [note: Hydor] the Water; and others, Ἔκχυσις, [note: "Ekkhysis"] the Outpouring; Aratos describing it, "Like a slight flow of water here and there, Scattered around, bright stars revolve but small"; although these titles, appropriated by Bayer for λ, originally were for the whole group set apart as the Stream. Allen's description basically repeats Bayer (1603) Uranometria, attributing names to Aratus and Proclus.

Bayer's text for λ Aqr (see image), mixed Greek and Latin translation (English)
Prima effusionis aquae, Arato & Proclo ὕδωρ (Lat.: Hydor), aliis ἔκχας dicta, Anony. Effusio aquae dexta & laeua, Arato χύσις ὕδατ@ ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθα σκιδναμένϫ, Hinc perperá manupicta quedam schemata duplicem exhibent effusionem, cum ἐπιϛροφὰς ἢ καμπὰς hoc est, duas potius debuissent obseruasse conuersiones.

However, the entry is one of many sloppinesses in Allen (1899). The term "Hydor" describes the whole huge region of faint stars around Cetus - it is the element that makes the monster depicted in Cetus a seamonster (because it is in Hydor!). This way, the asterism Hydor is depicted on all three surviving globes from antiquity.

Mythology

IAU Working Group Star Names

Pisces-Eridanus-Stream, 4731 members with 2 Cet the brightest one in the classical "Water" constellation: This table is sorted by Vmag.

As the term Ὕδωρ originally describes an asterism and, thus, a group of many faint stars or an area in the sky, we can apply the name to any star in that area around the figure of Cetus (in Eridanus, Fornax, Cetus, Sculptor, Aquarius - although "For" doesn't make sense). The name "Hydor" (ὕδωρ) is suggested

  • for 2 Cet (HIP 301, HR 9098 SIMBAD), a blue star (B9) of 4.536 mag in visible light. In modern star charts, the star is located between the tail of the Cetus-figure and the drops of the outlet of Aquarius. Alternatively, i01 Aqr (5.2 mag) or i03 Aqr (5.15 mag), for they are considered today as water drops in the outlet of Aqr. These stars are Psc-Eri-Stream with 4731 members (paper).
  • or for lambda Aqr as preserved in Bayer's Uranometria (1603) which is a red star (M2) of Vmag 3.79 (SIMBAD). However as a bright star in the zodiac, lambda Aqr has multiple cultural aliases that may be more appropriate choices (e.g. Tibetan "Mondru" (Johnson-Groh 2013), Hindu "Satabhisa"/"Satabhisaj"/"Satabhisak" (Venketeswara & Shylaja 2016, Sarma 1997, Rudra 2006)).

the WGSN chose ... (not to apply/ to apply the name to a neighbouring star/ to ...) in the IAU-CSN.

Weblinks

Reference

  1. ARATUS, PHAENOMENA (online), from: Callimachus, Hymns and Epigrams. Lycophron. Aratus. Translated by Mair, A. W. & G. R. Loeb Classical Library Volume 129. London: William Heinemann, 1921. https://www.theoi.com/Text/AratusPhaenomena.html
  2. Arat, Phainomena, Engl. translation by Kidd, Douglas, Cambridge Univ. Press 1997
  3. Hipparchs Himmelsglobus – Ein Bindeglied in der babylonisch-griechischen Astrometrie?, Springer Research, Wiesbaden/ New York, 2017
  4. Hoffmann, Susanne M. (2024). Some Results on the three Ancient Globes, Globusfreund/ Globe Studies, ISSN
  5. Hoffmann, S.M., Vickers, D. and Geymeier, M. (2022). Constellation Cetus: Whale or Monster? , 287